Sunday, September 30, 2012

Live Story from the Oral Tradition (13) – Kyabje Patrul Rinpoche (Doptal), HH Pema Kalsang & Lodoe Gyatso

Posted by Sonam Yeshi

Chat with H.E. Kunde Rinpoche (herein address as Tulku) with sonam yeshi (his student) . Last Sept 2011, there was a chat regarding Kyabje Patrul Rinpoche posted in  The linked page:

[The name of Kyabje Patrul Rinpoche was extracted from page x, “Dedication”, A Garland of Flowers: Questions and Answers on the Highly Secret Clear Light Great Perfection / H.E. Kunde Rinpoche].

Reflecting on the previous chat post, there were some important questions that I might have missed out, thus recently when we discussed different traditions in deciding the Head of Vajrayana tradition, sonam yeshi chat with H.E. Kunde Rinpoche on the subject.

Q= sonam yeshi, A=Kunde Rinpoche, HH = Kyabje Patrul Rinpoche, Bracket ( ) – notes added for clarity, [ ] – expression

Q: Tulku, some questions i might miss out of  last live chat with la of Kyabje Patrul Rinpoche (‘The Words of My Perfect Teacher” - Kunzang Lama’i Shelung, and is regarded a Tibetan Buddhism Classics.) Who had recognized his reincarnation this life in Tibet?

A: H.H.Pema Kalsang (Kyabje). The Abbot of Dzogchen Shriseng Monastery (Tibet).

Q: Tulku la, how was it happened

A:  The present life Kyabje Patrul Rinpoche was born and initially received monastic training in Gelukpa tradition. He became the most intelligent and learned Geshe among the 3 Gelukpa famous Monastery Colleges in Tibet.

Q: Wow, what an inspiring Bodhicitta motivation! Amazing, how was he being ‘discovered’?

A: It is a traditional practice to debate the Buddha’s Teachings in Vajrayana School (in Tibet?). Sometimes, the regarded highest learned practitioner like to seek other (tradition) learned practitioner to debate.

Q: [Uhuh] mm…
A: That time, somehow HH chose Dzogchen Sriseng Monastery to seek debate with the Master of this Monastery.

Q: Why?
A: Dzogchen Sriseng Monastery is a historical and the authority in Dzogchen (famous Monastery), it provides intense Dzogchen training for practitioners for centuries (once published, please refer the Dzogchen History written by Kunde Rinpoche).

Q: Then, who had win the debate?
A: You see, before he could reach Dzogchen Shriseng Monastery (Tibet), that one day HH Pema Kalsang dreamt of Magon [correction on 1 Oct. 12] (please refer the book ‘A garland of flowers by Kunde Rinpoche ‘s Root Lama Lodoe Gyatso’s picture - the most front Dharma Protector.  Its name also called ‘Ekajati’). This Dzogchen Dharma Protector delivered the message of a special visitor “someone with big ears and not tall” (
耳朵大大, 个子矮小) would be coming to Dzogchen Shriseng Monastery tomorrow. In the dream, the incarnation of Patrul Rinpoche was recognized.

Q: What did HH Pema Kalsang do?
A: (after the dream) HH Pema Kalsang suddenly annouced that there would be a Dzogchen Empowerment tomorrow (The next day).

Q: Wow, why must HH Pema Kalsang performed such Empowerment?
A: When HH arrived at Dzogchen Shriseng Monastery, his intention was to seek debate, but such spiritual event had been arranged and just happened, he had to attend (traditionally, it was not polite to leave for any reason?)

Q: i found this spiritually humorous!
A: [smile] thus HH gone through the Empowerment instead, and His reincarnation also been announced in the Monastery.

Q: then, what did the Monastery do for him?

A: HH has to go through the Nyingma School training of Khenpo, including the Great Perfection practice.

Q: Though HH was already a Geshe la?
A:  Yes, but Kyabje completed the training much earlier because He did not need to learn Madhyamaka (
中观) and the Heart Sutra (心经).

Q: How long did HH received the Khenpo tranining and Dzogchen transmission?
A: About 5-6 years (normal training usually need 9 years). But for Dzogchen practice (meditation practices) He learned under Lodoe Gyatso.

Q: (apologetic to Tulku, sorry, Tulku la) Why was Lodoe Gyatso?
A:  My root Lama, Lodoe Gyatso was the 40th in the lineage of transmission of Lama Yangtig of the Highly Secret Clear Light Great Perfection. He is also HH Pema Kalsang (Rinpoche) root Lama in Dzogchen.  His first student Bano Wangtrul (please refer earlier post at is currently a famous Dzogchen practitioner in Tibet (His current age is more than 80 years old?).

Q: Where is Kyabje Patrul Rinpoche now?

A: After he completed the required training and transmission, Kyabje Patrul Rinpoche was invited to teach Dzogchen, at 五明佛学院 (色达县喇荣)(English) Buddhist College Monastery (Qinghai) by Khenpo Tsultim Lodo Rinpoche 慈诚罗珠仁波切 (the student of His Holiness, Khenpo Jikme Phuntsok Rinpoche) as there are many thousands of Lamas at that monastery. Currently, He is teaching Dzogchen (Great Perfection practice) in that Monastery.

Q: Wow, it is significant for any Monastery to be able to invite him

A: Yes, many lamas would come to learn, then the monastery need much more supports for those lamas, thus it needs the favourable conditions. 

Q: Tulku la, Thank you very much, For sharing this live story of Kyabje Patrul Rinpoche, his relations with HH Pema Kalsang and root Lama Lodoe Gyatso, and Dzogchen Shriseng Monastery!

A: Tashi Delek

Thus have i heard… posted by sonam yeshi in Sept. 2012

(Note:Translated & Transcribed by sonam yeshi. Any mistakes herein were the ignorant of the translator and transcriber, kindly feedback and notify at

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